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    Your 300 AAC loads?

    I would really appreciate hearing what you are using for 300 Blackout, why and your results.
    Please include everything you think may be pertinent. Barrel length, gas system length, velocity, powder type, specific bullet and expansion of or lack of, etc.
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    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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    My very first batch.
    I was trying to use powder I had on hand.
    2400 and 150gr Remington PSPCL retreived from a sand/clay media fired from about 40 feet.
    Penetration was about 12".
    16" barrel pistol length system.
    Got one reading from the chronograph that session of 1551fps.
    I have no idea why one is almost perfect.
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    223 Rem, 7mm Rem Mag, 30 Carbine, 300 AAC, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Spr, 303 Brit, 45-70 Govt.
    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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    I use Lil Gun, H110, H108, 296 and 1680. 2400 should be good. What is the COL for your load?

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    Benny

    223 Rem, 7mm Rem Mag, 30 Carbine, 300 AAC, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Spr, 303 Brit, 45-70 Govt.
    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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    I've tried several different powders and bullets, but the one I've tested the most is the cast lead and powder coated 133 grain lyman 311410 bullet using 17.2 grains of IMR 4227. From a 16 inch barrel I get 2000 fps and under 1 inch groups at 50 yds.

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    My rifle is a 10.5", pistol length gas system, standard buffer and extra power buffer spring. I can't speak of expansion because I'm not a hunter. My main powders are lil'gun and IMR4227, I'll try to run down some of the loads I use and have used in the past.

    All loads use CCI small rifle primers
    150gr hornady FMJBT or nosler ballistic silvertip
    16.8gr lil'gun
    Seated to cannelure on hornady, unsure of oal but roughly the same on the ballistic silvertip
    Right around 1910fps on the silvertip, hornady should be close, haven't shot them over the chrono yet.

    125gr Speer TNT
    18.8gr lil'gun
    2.070"
    2150fps

    240gr majestic cast/powder coated flat point
    9.7gr IMR4227
    2.230"
    1020fps, cycled fine

    155gr heavy plated spitzer-got em cheap, loaded me as cheap as possible
    14.3gr lil'gun
    Seated to what qualifies as a cannelure
    1700fps, cycles fine on warm days, doesn't lock back on empty on cold days (under 30 degrees)
    Great to blast through, not the most accurate though, but they were less than $23/100rounds loaded.

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    I posted this on the thread below, "How Many Grains of Trail Boss....". So I thought I would repost it here for you.

    I've tried 5 different powders for subs. 220gr Nosler BTHPM and 10.9grs. of 1680 turned out to be the best load by far. Consistent SDs and primers, consistent velocity, and great accuracy.

    The worst was Lil'gun. Big swings in SD, some primers looking like they were just inserted (except the firing pin divot) and some looking like an overcharge (flat. I mean really flat).

    All loads were individually weighed using my Ohaus M5 beam scale and LC converted brass.

    Trail boss will not cycle my carbine. TB has it's nitch but not in this application.
    IMR4198 and H110 worked OK but 1680 was noticeably more accurate.

    For plinking loads I tried several different powders and I settled on 150gr Sierra FMJBT Gamekings with 17 grs of H110. It's a very accurate load.

    For Whitetail hunting I settled on Nosler 125 gr Ballistic tip Spitzers with 21.5grs of 1680.

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    I haven't loaded a lot for .300 Blackout and only shot a few of my reloads once, so my data is limited. I'm currently using Hodgdon Lil' Gun because that was all I could find at the time. I did come across some H110 at some point, but have yet to use it. Ideally, I would like to use Accurate 1680 because I hear good things about it in .300 BLK and I can use it in 7.62 X 39, too. However I haven't had any luck finding it in local stores and I hardly ever make it to gun shows to look for powder because they always seem to be on weekends that I have to work. That being said, here is the very limited data from one small batch of reloads.

    Case = Hornady
    Primer = TulAmmo KVB-223
    Powder = Lil' Gun (14.7 grains, starting load for this powder per the Hornady manual, 9th edition)
    Bullet = Hornady SST, 125 grain
    COAL = 2.100"
    Average velocity = 2050 fps (Hornady manual stated this powder charge would be good for about 1700 fps, but they used Winchester small rifle primers. Maybe this made a difference?)
    Barrel length = 16"
    Gas system = carbine length

    I only chronographed 5 rounds. The first four rounds had an extreme spread (ES) of 32. The last round was only 1972 fps and pushed my ES to 117 and my standard deviation 45.

    I have some more reloads waiting to be shot and chronographed, but I need to replace the front brakes on my truck before I can make it back to the range. I don't think my car can make it back there, not enough ground clearance.

    Ed

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    I was using 110 grain bullets, and Win 296.

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    So far this is what I've tested for velocity and function.

    Trail Boss with 150gr PSPCL averaged 850fps, as expected it did not cycle the action.

    2400 with 150gr PSPCL averaged 1530fps.

    2400 with 150gr PSPCL averaged 1650fps.

    2400 with 135gr Sierra #2124 averaged 1870fps.
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    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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    My thin g is I don't have a sound suppressor on my rifle, so I see no need to go big and subsonic. I have tried a few 150 grain bullets but they seem just a bit too long. I stuck to like 110 grain bullets. More velocity.

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    I like to load them cheap. Preferably under $25/100. That's usually 150gr fmj or 155gr plated.

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    A couple of more today.

    AA1680 with 135gr Sierra #2124 averaged 1940fps and a little less than 1" groups at 50 yards.

    AA1680 with 150gr Rem. PSPCL averaged 1870fps and a little less than 1" groups at 50 yards.
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    223 Rem, 7mm Rem Mag, 30 Carbine, 300 AAC, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Spr, 303 Brit, 45-70 Govt.
    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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    Started testing some loads with a 7 1/2" barrel.
    AA1680 with 135gr Sierra #2124 averaged 1533fps.
    AA1680 with 150gr Rem. PSPCL averaged 1438fps.
    AA2230 with powder coated 166gr Lee c309-160-R averaged 1315fps.
    AA1680 with 220gr Nosler RN #30181 averaged 1116fps.
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    223 Rem, 7mm Rem Mag, 30 Carbine, 300 AAC, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Spr, 303 Brit, 45-70 Govt.
    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mbaker78 View Post
    I like to load them cheap. Preferably under $25/100. That's usually 150gr fmj or 155gr plated.
    Did you notice any considerable drops in performance, Mbaker78?

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    I only hunt paper and steel, and the blackout rarely gets shot over 100 yards. So there’s not much concern over performance for me. As long as it cycles and it fairly accurate, I’m ok with it.

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    As a NRA Instructor for Metallic cartridge Reloading, I WINCE every time I see someone posting actual amount of powder used in a cartridge. It's just too easy to make an honest mistake. I urge everyone, including the original poster, to refrain from being that specific with powder loads. All it takes is that one well intentioned mistake to get someone's fingers (and gun) hurt.

    Instead, you could suggest a powder, but leave the amount of that powder to the reloading data book. Alternatively, you can call the powder manufacturer, and get starting and max load data for any bullet and powder combination.

    So, for example, for my 300 Blackout loads, I use a 150 grain home made (swaged) bullet, and Lil Gun powder. Lil Gun is made by Hodgdon. The amount of that powder is well documented in both the Tenth Edition of the Hornady Reloading data book, as well as the 14th Edition of the Speer reloading book. It's also well documented at Hodgdon's web based Load Data area: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/
    Additionally, Hodgdon's tech support guys are eager and happy to guide you with regard to starting loads and max loads for any bullet weight, either jacketed or cast.
    The contact information is:

    You can reach a Hodgdon representative Monday-Thursday, 7:00 AM-5:00 PM.
    Address:
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    NOTE: All of the powder manufacturers have a deep vested interest in keeping you safe, and will reply to your inquiry very quickly.

    Now, having said that, I know that some of you will take exception to my warnings. Especially those of you who are "very experienced reloaders". However, I have been doing this for more than 45 years, 20+ of that as a certified NRA instructor (and one of the very few, they tell me, that got 100% on the test for certification) for all these years, I have seen too many people get injured by using the kind of "heresay" load data that gets posted by well meaning friendly people. If you want to use what someone posts as a starting point for research, go ahead. But, please (I am begging you) research the information before using it. Confirm from a safe resource, that it's indeed safe to use. Let's NOT turn this thread into some sort of debate about what's safe and what's not. If it goes in that direction, I will lock the thread. Just suffice it to say that it behooves you to be safe in your reloading. The safe way isn't always the FAST way. Do your homework before reloading everything. Including 300 Blackout (where the case volume is sufficiently small enough to go quickly from safe to dangerous.)
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    Thanks Duke
    Benny

    223 Rem, 7mm Rem Mag, 30 Carbine, 300 AAC, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Spr, 303 Brit, 45-70 Govt.
    25 ACP, 32 S&W Long, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, 44 Spl, 44 Rem Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.

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